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Post  LeftenantRyuk on Sun Aug 21, 2011 9:52 pm

Open Play Week #1 Hunt Mission - Want ad in Ryuk's Casino's newspaper

Ryuk was musing on the dangers in space. "This is becoming more and more hazardous to my health" Ryuk though.
Remembering the past jaunt that he was on, an image of crystal. Next flashes images of the crystal healing the owner, Scout,
if I remember correctly. A smile creeps accross Ryuk's lips, that would make me and my men almost unstoppable, if I can duplicate it.
I need to get my hands on that crystal. And with that he delegates to the attending (nightmare) butler the task of putting out a want ad.


WANTED: Healing Crystal
Shard of bigger artifact.
Last seen with Scout at
the end of the Border wars.

Reward
Upon verfication of artifact
$300,000 Ghaz

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This is for groups up to 6 people. (name the characters). This is a Hunt with little information to start with,
and as such you should search for information about the artifact's location to begin with. You get to decide
how to find out this information (Also note, you can "hunt" Scout to warn him, or go Hunting the other
hunters. Remember that this also requires information gathering.)


Anyone can join this mission, just remember you are going to be searched at Ryuk's Casino if you succeed.

The reward for this mission would be a valuable research item. If it is obtained, immediately all research
on Ryuk's planets will go into looking into ways to duplicate it. Contact would be made to Viggo about looking
into the energies to see if they are able to infuse the nightmares he breeds with the abilities of the crystal.


Last edited by LeftenantRyuk on Fri Aug 26, 2011 5:47 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : clarification on what to do.)

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Re: Open Play Week #1 Hunt Mission - Want ad in Ryuk's Casino's newspaper

Post  MaehlHoldings on Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:42 pm

Responses:
1) how would anyone who doesn't go to ryuks casino know about this mission?
2) no destination in the posting. Last known whereabout are refuge, which is a homeworld of EEF. How is the mission not a violation of the rules and how, on the parameters of the rules, are players going to invade refuge?

My thoughts : multi step missions where
Week 1) you find put whereabouts of scout (heroic)
Week 2) access refuge (mission type is variable based on how you word it)
Week 3) the confrontation against scout (also referredto as the suicide mission)

Other thoughts?

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Post  LeftenantRyuk on Mon Aug 22, 2011 6:06 pm

Do to the nature of my casino, I believe rumours would fly about given the rewards price. It should at least pass through all the shadier parts of the universe.

I don't see this as an invasion. Invasion would be take an army and make an outpost on the planet. Going after a item is different in that manner that you are not going after the planet.
There is no destination in the posting because My character doesn't know where he is, (although he last saw him on refuge). I would have put in a description of scout, and known abilities, but I personally don't remember them.

I gave this a hunt, because some characters might have a way to get to Scout, or know someone who will tell him where he is, or more importantly the artifact I am looking for. For all I know, one of the players personally knows Scout, and Scout will just give that player the crystal. Which is why I decide to do this as a Hunt. you are right that the first thing that needs to be done is information gathering, then having a plan to get the crystal, whether it is on refuge or another place.

This could be done with a single mission, depending on the connections people have. FM Styrrker will have an advantage, if he decides to send someone after Scout, and could get it done. I figure that people will post how they gather information, and how they plan to get the artifact. (by force, charm, you owe me you bastard, etc) .

Depending on how well people "do" I figure that would dictate a possible second or third mission, but I wanted to see what people did before hand. Player's actions will determine what happens.

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Post  MaehlHoldings on Mon Aug 22, 2011 6:38 pm

There's a whole lot of maybes in there, and little or no background regarding the "hunt". Players have nothing in the mission to guide them. As Ryuk himself doesn't have that info, you're conflating several things into one.

Here's the hard part:
as a narrator, you have to have some sense of where this hunt will take you. In other words, there's got to be some metagame to it. While ryuk may not have a clue, you the player has to take into account that the only people who know where scout is are eef and people who have uth seeing. How is the mission going to bring those poeple into the mix? Further more, how will you narrate a scene that you don't have a sense of where people will be? In other words, I am limited to 6 men per your mission details. I, the player, know there's no way to win that hunt with any 6 men I can get, once my character figures out (however that may be) where scout is "hiding" out.

My recommendation: through rp figure out where scout is and what that shard he had was... then figure out what the mission will be (and if its worth it).

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Post  LeftenantRyuk on Tue Aug 23, 2011 7:34 pm

I do have an idea on where this will take me. I figured that the first week this happens, unless someone strikes a deal with scout (assuming he has the artifact I am asking for), that people will mainly find lead this week, through avenues that they find. Some, if they have a really good way to get accurate information, may be able to find the artifact/scout.
To which, Scout, or whoever has the artifact will run away.

based off of the responses I get from the mission post, I would respond back with the information that they have gathered.
If the posters have a legitimate way to find scout/artifact quickly, then they would get a chance to see the prey. if not they would have information for the next mission.

I kind of see this as a competition, where the goal is the same for everyone, but depending on there skills and abilities, it takes more or less time. This could be different for everyone, someone from the IR could get rock solid information on the artifact, but its on refuge, so they have to really work to get onto the planet while the EEF could take much longer to get reliable information. I planed on keeping everyone on there own path, open to the possibility of them interfering with each other.

Some of this, I also plan on asking for help with admin. I don't know scouts abilities very well, among other things. I plan on writing up , based off of the posts what each individual group accomplished for the first we, then email it to admin for verification, with questions if need be. (Ie actual location of scout/artifact if it is needed)




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Post  TemporalEmpire on Tue Aug 23, 2011 11:38 pm

That makes sense to me.

Could you post as a reply a revised version of the Mission Intro to emphasis those elements of the mission (for example the detective work, the inquisitive searching for clues, and trying to work contacts and friends).
That way the players (like Me!) who want to try out the mission will have an idea of the tasks our 6 subcharacters need to accomplish to at least be on the right track towards progressing to the next phase of this set of missions.

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Post  ViggoTheKasanthian on Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:08 pm

As much as this sounds fun, isn't Scout a player character not involved in the game? And as such doesn't really have any action other than what people put for him. Seems like shooting fish in a barrel if that is the case, "Scout happily gives me whatever Ryuk is requesting, and i owe him a favor....No ...bif...biggie"
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Post  MaehlHoldings on Wed Aug 24, 2011 6:03 pm

ViggoTheKasanthian wrote:As much as this sounds fun, isn't Scout a player character not involved in the game? And as such doesn't really have any action other than what people put for him. Seems like shooting fish in a barrel if that is the case, "Scout happily gives me whatever Ryuk is requesting, and i owe him a favor....No ...bif...biggie"

Point notwithstanding, the character was a part of an event, thus a viable npc. To offer a counter example: leroy jenkins.

It's a moot point. With that in mind, it makes my original response all the more valid, because there's not any current information in-game that can pinpoint scout's location and to access him. It therefore does not create a situation where one can gauge what his response would be, and *that* is the most vital piece of information that's missing.

Ryuk, then perhaps the type of mission should be different. Instead of being a hunt, make it "heroic"?

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Post  MaehlHoldings on Wed Aug 24, 2011 6:13 pm

Ryuk, as in you can name the mission, "the hunt for...", but make the mission type "heroic", that way you get what you want, which are leads, but there will be no adverse actions against players or territories until the event is posted and its follow-up mission is approved.

I agree with temporal empire, because the information gathered should be fun! Very Happy

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Post  CaptainAxis on Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:56 pm

Actualy, to my knowledge, Scout is NOT a npc and I don't believe has been involved in any of the space gaming, NPC or PC. If I am wrong, please let me know. To my knowledge, he's only been mentioned in passing but hasn't made any action in the game himself by narrator or player. Again, if i am wrong on this please let me know. There are just to many threads to start running through them so I'm kind of just going off from what i remember. I just don't think it would be fair to invlove a players charracter who has no invlovment in this. Also, which has already been stated, being he's on refuge, it would be an automatic no go being refuge is off limmits.

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Post  FieldMarshallStrykker on Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:56 pm

I'd have to agree with Viggo and say that his point is not at all moot. The example of Leroy is totally different. That characters player is involved in this game and has been consulted and given consent or volunteered for the character to be used in certain missions and events. I doubt that Scout's player has been consulted on this mission. Having a character or items that character possesses be the target of a hunt is very different from simply having the character appear in a few events or one single event as in Scouts case.

Besides that while looking for a certain item could be fun and all. Why would you need the particular item Scout has (or perhaps had) a simple healing item could do what you mention seeing and something like that could easily be purchased from several sources.

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Post  OrleosSacrenine on Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:52 pm

The only thing I could contribute to this discussion is that Scout had probably not been consulted on the Engine mission, but then again he wasn't a 'Main Focus' as a character. To be honest, he is a part of the universe although he is NPC and therefore could quite indeed be a target for missions.

The best thing to do would be to consult either Zaodonai Celyse if she knows Scout IRL seeing as he was included in her post, or better yet, consult Admin to narrate the part. After all, since he is NPC wouldn't it fall to Admin to begin with? We're sort of scrambling in the dark on something both sides of the discussion probably aren't sure on. Better to clear it now for future reference.

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Post  GeneralGarminFe on Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:45 am

Just say, "Find me one of those!" Make the mission about a bid on the best healing artifact one is willing to offer. There are many ways to make a healing device. Best or most interesting offer wins. If someone out there can get you Scout's original, then that makes them a strong contender. Spending some research or activating a mission may be the result for the winner depending on how they go about their offer. It'll be great to see what the Unity or AoD will offer up as a healing device.
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Post  LeftenantRyuk on Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:25 am

im gonna rewrite the intro a bit to clarify that this first part is more of information gathering (unless you have a direct connection to Scout), but the reason why this specific artifact is asked for, is that my char has seen Scout impaled by spears and tortured holding this artifact. It was keeping him alive when he should have been dead. (He also tried to steal it from him) .


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Post  ZaodonaiCelyse on Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:37 am

Hey guys, I just want to share my opinion on this matter since I'm the one who wrote in Scout and I know the player IRL.

Scout is a part of an old team of D&D characters that was created about 12 years ago, included in this group was the Nameless Ranger and Forge. Since the arch-nemesis during that old campaign was Warmonger, the player of Forge wanted to be included in the Engine Dimension mission and asked me if Celyse would bring him along. The Admin let me know that the Nameless Ranger would also be making an appearance so it just didn't seem right not to include Scout.

Scout was never used against any other player or player run faction, he was just brought in to be a part of something cool with his old companions. I don't think he should be utilized as an NPC in these missions especially without permission from the player himself. A better idea might be to research healing artifacts in general, and find one that might display the same affects as were witnessed.
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Post  CaptainAxis on Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:31 am

Also, just because the character is part of the DR universe shouldn't mean he/she is far game. I see this opening a really bad can of worms. If the player for scout wanted to be included in space, then the player would have joined. I'm sure other player on this forum, self included, have charracters they didn't want to be apart of space. If the player decides he wants to join or gives his blessing for scout to be used then its far game. If not lets respect the wishes of the player and let the issue be dropped.

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Post  MaehlHoldings on Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:44 am

Why the point is moot:
Scout is embedded in DR lore. He's legendary, has been written about in at meat three books/stories, and is integral in so many storylines that it's unfeasible for the character to be played in every context that would be required for it to be played. It's, therefore, as unfair to the current player to be told that the artifact he desires cannot be explored in any way just because the player isn't playing that character.

The point is moot because to side with either end of this conversation is, in some way, unfair.
To which I countered to Ryuk: instead of automatically focusing on the retrieval, focus on the exploration of what the object is, who the wielded of the object, and figure out what it would ental to retrieve the object. Once those are clear, the players process and motivation, to a great extent, will shift and hen he can determine his next line of action.
Ryuk,
Whether or not it's clear to you, a lot of the concern expressed here is that you neither know the player nor the lore of the character well enough to adequately narrate the mission. Furthermore, it makes certain people uncomfortable that there is an object of suc power at stake.

As such, to allay everyone's fears, I offer to narrate the mission. I know the lore as well as anyone, and I'll make sure that Ryuk has the opportunity to explore this topic to his hearts content (as well as all other interested parties).

Is that ok Ryuk?

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Post  LeftenantRyuk on Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:59 pm

Maehl,

I would still like to try and narrate this mission, but you are right about the lore of the character and person. I really appreciate the offer, and was wondering if you would narrate jointly. This would get me experience with narration, and you would be able to help with the character's persona and lore that I may not know are miss an important detail on. This would be the best solution in my eyes, and hopefully lay to rest other peoples fears about me making mistakes.

I am going to pm you my gmail address, I am almost always on gtalk and available here. If you don't have gmail, I have other accounts that I can use. (I was looking for a way to have "chat" , it tends to be easier to work out details there. We can email admin a transcript of the conversation if it is needed)

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Post  FieldMarshallStrykker on Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:00 pm

Except no one has at all said the artifact or one like it can't be researched or made. What is at question is making the PC of a player who is not part of this game the target of a hunt to secure the particular artifact he has. If Ryuk wants to research healing artifacts that's fine or present an offer to other factions to create a similar artifact, that is also fine. Or buy a large number of healing artifacts and have the mission be smuggling them off of Refuge I doubt that would be a problem for anyone.

Likewise Ryuks understanding or lack of understanding of the lore of the character is besides the point. As who narrates the mission. The issue is bringing in a character the player doesn't want here and as a matter of respect such a character should not be the target of events. Admin approving use of Scout as a guest in a mission is something different.

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Post  LeftenantRyuk on Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:14 pm

Just to be clear, I did send the intro to admin before posting it in this forum. I was told to post to see what people say.

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Post  FieldMarshallStrykker on Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:26 pm

LeftenantRyuk wrote:Just to be clear, I did send the intro to admin before posting it in this forum. I was told to post to see what people say.
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Fair enough. That being the case I do not think that Scout as the PC of a player not invovled in this game should be the target of a mission. However researching and attempting to duplicate the artifact are in my opinion fine. As would be securing similar artifacts elsewhere.

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Post  LeftenantRyuk on Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:40 pm

Scout never really was the "target" , he is just the last know possessor know to my character. I also don't know where it is, but that is what information gathering is for. For all I know, Scout could have given the artifact to someone else, or stored it someplace. This is a want ad, and usually when looking for something, the most information possible helps. I put in the information known to my character, which included scout as the last know possessor, because that is the last time my character saw it.

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Post  FieldMarshallStrykker on Thu Aug 25, 2011 2:30 pm

As posted it amounts to a 300,000 ghaz bounty on Scout since the only thing you know is he had it. If you don't mean for him to be a target I would suggest that the mission should be posted as information gathering on that or similar artifacts and the reward paid for the best information not for that particular artifact as you have it listed now.

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Post  MaehlHoldings on Thu Aug 25, 2011 2:56 pm

FieldMarshallStrykker wrote:
LeftenantRyuk wrote:Just to be clear, I did send the intro to admin before posting it in this forum. I was told to post to see what people say.
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Fair enough. That being the case I do not think that Scout as the PC of a player not invovled in this game should be the target of a mission. However researching and attempting to duplicate the artifact are in my opinion fine. As would be securing similar artifacts elsewhere.

I patently disagree. When you own one of the most powerful artifacts in the universe, you have a target on your back. When you've become lore, it becomes official. Hence why the point is moot.

I acknowledge the discomfort, and the concern with a character in game going after a character out of game, but the decision regarding the extent to which the mission can fail or succeed when it comes to NPCs fall ultimately on Admin.

He's heard our thoughts and he'll give his ruling.

Ryuk, no co-narration as it breaks rule number one, no non-board communication between players. I will assist you with the lore once it gets posted in whatever way you get approved.

You have some significant feedback. If you want to take this on, reword your mission post accordingly. Not everyone will be comfortable with it, but at the end of the day its about what you want your character to explore. Admin will advise accordingly.

Happy writing!

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Post  FieldMarshallStrykker on Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:29 pm

I'm sorry but the point is not moot, since the point I'm making is about repsect and courtesy to a player who is not invovled in this game and so should not have to worry about the character being effected in this game. I'd also point out that to assume that the artifact in question is "one of the most powerful in the Universe" is wrong since you dont' know what it is, Ryuk isn't even sure what artifact caused the effect he wittnessed and wants to duplicate.

Ownership of an item (obtained in table top or con games) does not put a target on a characters back. If that were the case there are a number of powerful and unique artifacts out there held by characters and players who aren't any part of the space games (who are listed as NPCs) that are fair game to post a bounty mission on and take that item away from them without them ever knowing or having a chance to do anything about it yet in the "lore" they have lost that item. Keep in mind that while Scout is listed in books as an NPC he is also someone's PC and that someone is not playing in this game. Therefore to me it is wrong to make the character the subject of a mission since unlike events in peoples home games events here do change the background of the game. It wouldn't have been any more proper to have Jeremiah in this game if I wasn't here to play him which you will note early in the boarder wars before I started to play no one was running the EEF. That isn't because the character wasn't there but because I wasn't there to play.

However you are right that Ryuk has gotten our feedback and can leave the mission as is or change it based on peoples reactions and suggestions. In the end Admin will decide what sort of mission, if any it should be.

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